Air Date
November 4, 2025
Featured Guest
Michèle Flournoy
Co-founder and Managing Partner, WestExec Advisors, Former Defense Under-Secretary
Host
Jay Sapsford
Senior Vice President, Global Intelligence Desk, U.S. Chamber of Commerce
From autonomous systems to AI-driven targeting, warfare is being redefined by innovation. This week’s guest, former Defense Under-Secretary Michèle Flournoy, argues that America’s ability to deter and win wars, now, depends less on troop strength and more on its capacity to out-innovate its rivals through cutting-edge research, skilled talent, and fast investment.
Flournoy outlines how deterrence is shifting as defense innovation accelerates worldwide, and allies modernize their military — and what policy changes, industrial partnerships, and investment priorities should come next.
The Call is a series of live video conversations featuring expert guests from the U.S. Chamber's Global Intelligence Desk. Live access to The Call is a benefit to the Chamber’s members; however, we are pleased to provide recordings of the calls for wider viewing thereafter. Information on membership is available here.
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